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Nevin · Jul 25, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Check GuildWars.com they have added the attributes of the new professions Dervish and Paragon. I find the Paragon attributes to be a bit... Under-decided.

Paragon Attributes

Spear Mastery (PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE)
Spear Mastery increases the damage you do with spears and your chance to inflict a critical hit when using a spear. Many skills, especially spear attack skills, become more effective with higher Spear Mastery.

Command
No inherent effect. Many Paragon skills, especially those that protect your allies or increase your tactical position on the battlefield, become more effective with higher Command.

Motivation
No inherent effect. Many Paragon skills, especially those related to Energy management or that inspire your allies, become more effective with higher Motivation.

Leadership
You gain 1 Energy for each ally affected by one of your Shouts or Chants (maximum 1 Energy for every 3 ranks).

Having Spearmastery as a primary is very exclusive. Once I heard about spear throwing, all I could think about was a female Ranger/Paragon "Amazon". That could use Apply Poison and all that good stuff. But it seems Anet has made a very bad decision. Why not have Leadership be the primary? That sounds much more like a primary attribute then Spear Mastery. The way I see it, is that Primary attributes are supposed to make the profession better at what that profession does. Leadership would make Paragons be able to shout much more continously then any other profession. But Spear Mastery? Hell must Paragons won't even use that in PvE.

Would a Moderator please delete then one in Sardelic? I lagged out when I posted that one.

Branskins · Jul 25, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

It could be a mistake on the website. Otherwise the Leadership not being primary could be a little overpowered.

Xx Invictus xX · Jul 25, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

it sounds like leadership should be primary but maybe once they reveal the skills we will understand why spears is primary... some super java paragon only elite skills

vinegrower · Jul 25, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

we will see how this all works in a few days, why not just wait to see how they actually play and make sure there wasn't a typo? Besides, this is a beta, they want us to play, make every polssible combo, then they will make the needed changes. Many things changed from the factions preview to the final product, the same will happen here.

Cid · Jul 25, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I agree with invictus, theres probably bigger plans for spearmastery then you first think if its being made a primary.

Im not so sure about the 'increase your tactical position on the battlefield' part in Command. Just sounds dumb. Walking can increase your tactical position on the battlefield.. Why devote an attribute for it

DieInBasra · Jul 25, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I don't think leadership is overpowered, it'd only be good for warriors anyway, the shouts used often are sheilds up, to the limit, and maybe watch yourself in pve. A maximum of 4 energy per isn't much to worry about, especially with warriors in there backlines, only really close to another war or two.

With spear as a primary, you know they're going to put alot of effort into making it powerful, since they don't have to worry about other classes "abuseing" it. On the other hand, it's a shame only the paragon can use it, less weapons for the rest of us.

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Im not so sure about the 'increase your tactical position on the battlefield' part in Command. Just sounds dumb. Walking can increase your tactical position on the battlefield..

Something like wards or rituals, basicly make it better for you to stay in that place them move around. I think having a paragon specced to that will limit your mobility while making you more defensive.

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But Spear Mastery? Hell must Paragons won't even use that in PvE.

What if Paragons are supposed to throw spears alot? And how can you make this call when all you have to go on is two or three articals?

BigTru · Jul 25, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Kewl. Now my warrior can spam Watch Yourself! for energy to fuel Protector's Strike spam. This is going to be awesome <3<3<3

Sylath · Jul 25, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

in my eyes it must be a mistake, or they have some special plns for the spear..time will tell.

mqstout · Jul 25, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Not only on the "leadership overpowered if not primary" front, but also if Spear Mastery is the primary, then that would mean ONLY people who are Paragon primaries could ever use a spear. It would then be the ONLY weapon in the game that relies strictly on a profession's primary attribute.

Every other weapon type can be used by people who have that job as a secondary... Shields have Tactics, Swords/Axes/Hammers/Bows/Daggers are all non-primary, and Wands/Staves/Foci exist for pretty much everything on casters, primary and not.

Lucifer PVP · Jul 25, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

I highly doubt they would restrict spear weapons to one class unless they are going to make spears a paragon only weapon, unless they are reducing the animations for the other classes.

lyra_song · Jul 25, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

T_T They better allow spears on secondary paras

Solar_Takfar · Jul 25, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Well, they probably WILL allow them, just like anyone can use daggers, or bows, or any weapon, even without putting points in the attribute. It's just that spears will be extremely ineffective (as a damage dealer, at least) for secondaries, if it's made a Paragon primary.

Draygo Korvan · Jul 25, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

I highly doubt they would restrict spear weapons to one class unless they are going to make spears a paragon only weapon, unless they are reducing the animations for the other classes.

They have to make the animations anyway, you can equip weapons you dont meet the requirement for. Aka a bow on a E/Mo.

Solar_Takfar · Jul 25, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

The big problem I see with having a secondary leadership and primary spear is, as state above, that l-ship would only benefit warriors as a secondary, or to people of other classes that invested points on both Command or Motivation AND Leadership (at which point they might as well make Paragon primaries instead). In other words, the usability of the paragon as a secondary becomes somewhat limited.

Guinevere Ac · Jul 25, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

that's a mistake by a.net... leadership is the primary attribute... is just like divine favor, pretty obvious and gonna be fixed soon

Mercury Angel · Jul 25, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Well, aside from Barrage Assassins, bows on secondary Rangers is largely unheard of. They're pseudo-restricted: The Ranger profession is built around its primary attribute, making most of its skills overpriced without it. Few other professions can really afford it.

But complete restriction is a bit odd.

I'm guessing it's a typo as well. Attributes with inherent effects other than weapon attributes are largely unheard of. Though, shouts and chants are also very rare, and the only other profession that could really make good use of that attribute would be Warrior.

It would only really be broken if the shouts were ever attempted to be balanced through cost. Expertise + Leadership would make them too cheap.

In any case, guess we'll just have to wait 3 days and see.

mqstout · Jul 25, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

They fixed it. Leadership is INDEED the primary, not spear mastery. http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...pvppreview.php

Solar_Takfar · Jul 25, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Ah. good.

Ganik Thress · Jul 25, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Whew, thank God.

OMFGimCUTE · Jul 25, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

i htink its good like that and how paragons are MADE for spears.